Q) Do you consider yourself as being underground? ILL-BOSSTINO) My idea of "underground" is not just about being unknown, broken and only wishing for a chance that never comes. That's only the first stage of your career. We were at that stage six years ago, but you are just a loser if you end there. We understood it. To me, being underground is about producing your own stuff without being enslaved to record companies; Not to get exploited by TV or radio but to exploit THEM; Make money with your own ideas and be responsible for what you do; Play some maddening music loud as you can with the like-minded heads in various regions. From that perspective, I can say that what we are doing now is the best example of the most powerful underground in Japan.